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Q&A Jeff Markow - Cypress Point Club PDF Print E-mail



By Jason Bruno w/contributions from Jay Blasi

Jeff Markow CGCS at Cypress Point Club in Monterey, California.



In 2020 we've all experienced a new normal, one we'd just as soon

like to forget, but one of the highlights for us was spending a day

talking with the one and only - Jeff Markow at Cypress Point. To say

that Markow has the finest office on earth is pretty much a tap-in.

Always ranked among the top two or three venues in the world, just

being on the property is a thrill.


For this Q&A I brought along one of the most respected minds in golf

architecture (and someone I'm proud to call a friend) - Jay Blasi. Two

minds are always better than one when attempting to glean the wisdom

and trade secrets of a turf master like Markow.



1st tee Cypress Point




Jeff Markow is a mid-west native (Minnesota) transplanted in the golden

state, working the land along the coastline of visionaries - Samuel Morse,

MacKenzie and Marion Hollins. He's another agronomy guru from the long

lineage of highly successful Penn State Nittany Lions in the turf industry.

Markow commands a room like few others and carries the responsibility

of tending to Mother Nature's Mona Lisa with deference. When I spoke

to other agronomy leaders about Markow, I heard similar remarks like this

from Olympic Club's Troy Flanagan, "He has been such a positive mentor

for me and countless others, so helpful for my career. I wouldn't be where

I am today without Jeff."

We hope you enjoy our back and forth with Jeff Markow, I know Blasi and

I did.



LinksNation (Bruno): When did you come to Cypress Point Club ?


Jeff Markow: 1993, Almost 28 years now. I was down in the desert (Palm

Springs) for about 8 years before arriving here. Minnesota was great but

career movement up there was limited. Somebody would have to move

or retire, so as a young person trying to get started, I had a lot of friends

and colleagues who had moved out to the desert from Minnesota. In fact,

my superintendent who was probably one of my biggest mentors that got

me into the business went to the desert at the same time.





CPC 5th fairway





LN (Bruno): Who were some of those mentors?


Markow: There were so many, I'd hate to leave somebody out. At school

(Penn state) it was Dr. Joseph Duich, he was great. There were lots of

life lessons too. We had an etiquette class on how to set a table, "he said,

'you guys are going to sit down in a boardroom with a bunch of important

people, you need to learn these things. You'll learn the turf side, but you

need to learn some life stuff.' "


Mark Smith was also a mentor, he was a Superintendent at Minneapolis

Golf Club and gave me a shot, coming from a little golf course in Mankato

while I was attending the University of Minnesota. "He said, 'why don't you

get into this business, so he helped me get into Penn State (Agronomy).' "



7th tee



LN (Bruno): Years ago when we sat down with fellow Penn Stater - Matt

Shaffer (at Merion), he noted their "Heinz 57" varieties of turf, what's

the make-up of your surfaces here at CPC?


Markow: We do have several varieties in the natural areas, but that changes

as you get to the playing areas. Uniformity, but out here it's more about

drought tolerance, water use - were slowly converting our fairways to bent.

It's a Poa golf course, but we've been fairly successful with the regulators

changing the population to more predominantly bent. It's a mix.


LN (Blasi) - Have you been seeding bent into it?


Markow: We've been cutting some fine fescue and bent into it. It's a

blend called PureFormance from tee to green. It has Crystal Blue Links

in it and a few others like Pure Select/Pure Distinction. The greens are

all Poa, maybe a bit of Bent but not much. We're trying to be a little

more homogenous in the rough - Rye/Fescue.


LN (Blasi): Water is the new gold (especially in California). Every course

here with the exception of some in the Palm Springs area will have to

be a desert course - Tees, fairway and greens with turf, everything else

likely will be a natural area. Your thoughts?


Markow: Similar to what we have here, areas between tees and fairways

are native or transition areas.


LN (Blasi): How much have you experimented with these areas and how

challenging have those areas been?


Markow: We just let whatever mother nature brings up, so when we put

the irrigation system in we did irrigate those areas in stretched spacing

to keep the dust down. It's California it stops raining in April and you

don't see rain again until November. So we run it just enough to keep

the native stuff alive. It's a strange site, thinking it would be sandy

along the coast. We go over to Pebble where they have a really nice

loamy type of soil, same thing up at SFGC, they have a nice sandy site.

We have about four different types of soil, I think there was an old river

that used to run through here, so some tight clays exist, then there's a

foot of topsoil. Then you get into the dune areas and there's sand, but

it's capped with top soil. So we have a soil/sand Oreo type of mix.


LN (Blasi): When was that (when the soil capping took place)?


Markow: Dr.Mackenzie era - back then it was strange because you think

links and sand growing areas, but they actually capped like 30 acres

with top soil. Then we have what I call our Indiana farm soil out by the

coast, a very dark native soil.


LN (Bruno): How much has that organic layer increased from nearly a

century of golf agronomy over the club's existence?


Markow: It's not too bad, a little bit, we just keep aerifying, but I think

everywhere you have organic matter it just keeps increasing - no matter

what you do.


LN (Blasi): For the 2025 Walker Cup have they (USGA) asked you to alter

any of your mowing patterns?


Markow: We haven't really had any meetings yet. I don't believe there's

going to be a lot of changes to the golf course. I was told we weren't

going to be adding tees or additional bunkers. I think the USGA will have

control of the hole locations and green speeds, but not much else.

Routing people in and out and logistics, lots to do on those issues.


LN (Blasi): It will be interesting to see if the players adapt to the design

and architecture as the week goes on, just learning some of the nuance

as the awe and wow factor fades during the week of competition.


Markow: If the wind comes up it's a completely different golf course and

challenge out here. Some of these kids may be at a disadvantage because

they don't play the ground game much. Lots of them just grab their 60

degree wedges, then they experience the ball spinning back at them. The

overseas kids might have a slight advantage.

LN (Bruno): When was the last event here at the club that was open

to spectators?

Markow: Probably '89, before I arrived (it was actually '91 At&t Pro Am).

The club loves amateur golf and held up really well during some recent

Stanford events held here and is excited to have the Walker Cup.

LN (Bruno): Do you expect that the USGA will be looking for firm & fast


Markow: For a few member events we try to give them a fairly firm and

fast surface - quick greens and difficult pins, but the top amateur kids hit

it so far today. Cameron Champ played out here and he just took it over

the corner of the dune on No.8. There are some pin positions we can have

to keep it interesting though. Walker Cup was here in '81, since it's match

play, actual score is irrelevant. I don't expect the teeing grounds to vary




par 3 - 15th




LN (Bruno): With such a diverse piece of property between the dunes

and coastal holes, what is your biggest challenge here day in and day out?


Markow: I would say it's water, because now it's become a finite supply.

We've basically had a 30% cut in our water supply without doing anything,

and that has to be shared with six other courses on the peninsula. So we're

weather dependent, if we get our fall/spring rains we're fine. We've had

some dry winters where were irrigating and using the reservoir, that has

to be replenished in the off-season. If that doesn't happen, we start the

season rationing. We're fortunate that the membership enjoys the bounce

and roll and some off-color turf.



LN (Blasi): What are your green profiles and which complexes are more

challenging than others?


Markow: They're original push-up greens, we pounded cores long-time

ago, a sand top-dressing aerification layer from the 80's and some

black soil top dress for many years - below we have no idea what the

Doc (MacKenzie) did down there (laughs). They drain fine, there's a

little organic matter in the surfaces.


Hole 4 green is our most shaded green in the winter, 16 & 17 out on

the water seem to accumulate more organic matter. Those two seem

to have more thatch, so we'll add some extra aerifications and verti-

cutting on those two greens.




Jay Blasi soaking in the splendor of the 16th at CPC




LN (Bruno): What's the size of your Agronomy staff?


Markow: We have right around 22 that includes two mechanics, two

assistants and 3 interns. We've been fortunate with our labor situation

in that we have two families that are part of our team - We've had a

Grandpa, Dad and son all on staff at the same time, five of them

actually. Another family is Uncle, brother, nephew and nephew. Some

have been with us over 20 years.


LN (Blasi): How long did you have to close during the pandemic?


Markow: The clubhouse and pro shop closed but the members were able

to play all the way through. No caddies, no flags and carry your own bag.

We did close for a few days while the county was trying to figure things

out early on. We had to cut the staff down to about half early on, but

finally went back to full staff at the end of May.





View from behind the 8th green



LN (Bruno): Everybody knows the two par 3's on the ocean, but those

that haven't been on the property probably have no idea how special

that section of dunes holes are, your thoughts . . .


Markow: Yes! We call that our little Amen Corner. You get to that tenth

tee and think, OK, we survived. It's just strategic. We're doing some

work up there, we took some bunker sand out and changed it into a

dune and widened the fairway on nine and enlarged the ninth green a

little bit.




9th tee




LN (Blasi): I think the ninth is one of the best holes in all of golf.

LN (Bruno): Totally agree, that entire section is incredible.


LN (Blasi): When you use old photos for reference, is there a specific

year that you and the club target for the desired visual they want

the course to be?


Markow: There's a set, a collection of photos from the early 30's - they

contracted a photographer to walk with Mackenzie while he was playing.

There's images from all over the golf course, we have the full set. The

club opened in '28 and Dr. MacKenzie passed in '34, so we know the time

period. The early 30's is the period we use to restore the course.


LN (Bruno): I've heard you mention Coore & Crenshaw being involved

in some work prior to the Walker Cup, can you expound?


Markow: They are just fantastic people – not sure there’s enough words

to describe how great it is to work with them. We have annual site visits

with recommendations to improve the course and aesthetics. They have

a natural, minimalistic approach and a wealth of knowledge.



18 green and clubhouse




LN (Bruno): We are all envious, you have the best office on Earth, what's

the plan for Jeff Markow after Cypress Point?


Markow: I don't know, I think I have a few things to offer the younger

guys - if they'll listen. Maybe some consulting or project management.

Maybe back to Minnesota. I told Taylor (Taylor Anderson is the Assistant

Superintendent at CPC) I'm going to come mow fairways for him wherever

he ends up. Maybe just be a landscape guy - get outside and plant some

flowers. . .












Q&A: Javier Campos - California Golf Club PDF Print E-mail



By Jason Bruno

18 at Cal Club.



The story of Javier Campos and how he became the Superintendent at

one of the finest golf clubs in the world at age 30 is not only inspiring,

but is unlikely on so many fronts. As an infant his family moved from

Mexico to San Francisco. As a teenager, Campos and a friend were hired

by Cal Club Superintendent Thomas Bastis for a summer stint as labor

grunts on the agronomy crew. According to Bastis, "For the first few years

Javier was a typical young crew member prone to party too much and

driving too fast." The mentor still affectionately mocks his young successor

referring to him as "El Guapo and Bieber". "The thing that changed Javier

was the renovation," said Bastis. "He saw everything and I started leaning

into him. I said, You've been working on this golf course for how long?

You're bi-lingual which is a huge advantage, why don't you go to school

for this stuff?"





T.Bastis image




Still undecided, Campos left the club for a short period to pursue a

career in physical therapy and sports fitness. It wasn't long before

he returned and enrolled at Rutgers, later he was promoted to be

a 2nd Assistant Superintendent under the multi-talented Josh C.F Smith

(who is now the Superintendent of Orinda Country Club just northeast

of Berkeley, California. Smith is also widely known as one of the finest

golf/landscape artists as well as being co-founder of FlagBag company

with his brother Matt).

In May of 2017, Bastis left Cal Club for a position with the PGA Tour

as a Competition Agronomist. After delegating many projects and

responsibilities upon Campos over the years, the mentor knew his

young protege was ready to take on the next step. At the end of the

day, Thomas Bastis and Glenn Smickley both knew how fortunate they

were to have a 5 tool player already in house:


1. Fine Fescue (fast n firm) management skills

2. Pure Bent greens (maintaining Poa free) in Northern California

3. Comprehensive Knowledge of the entire property

4. Established relationship and confidence of the members

5. Problem solving/leadership of the existing Agronomy staff (bi-lingual)


Bastis told me recently, "I made the sales pitch simple and direct to

both members and management "If you don't want things to change,

then Javier is the right person for the job."




Q&A with Javier Campos

The boss puts a finishing touch on the recently created new 8th tee prior to hydroseeding.





LinksNation: You came to California Golf Club as a teenager and soon

after contemplated being a police officer at one point, and even left

the club to work at a fitness gym. When did you know that being in

Agronomy and tending to land was what you wanted to do with your


Javier Campos: I always tell younger people I know or people in general;

deciding what you want to do in life is the hardest decision you will ever

have to make. I had ideas of what I might want to do with myself and

tested the waters but ultimately working on a golf course was the most

rewarding thing. It was during the renovation in 07 when I saw the project

really taking shape, I thought, “man this is crazy in 9 months what we

made of this place.” There’s a certain “high” if you will in seeing something

go from A to B and knowing you were behind that, I don’t know if that

makes sense. But that’s when I knew.




LN: Having Thomas Bastis as your mentor was certainly a "being in the

right place at the right time" situation from a professional perspective,

but what did you get from Thomas that was beyond turf management?

Campos: Man, when you work for a guy for as long as I did, close to 13

years I think, naturally you’ll learn a lot more than turfgrass. He’ll tell

you the best thing I learned from him was probably to stop introducing

my wife or referring to her as “my girl” and instead saying “my wife.”

But in all seriousness, in the least amount of words I would tell you this,

aside from maybe my wife and kids now, Thomas was and is the only

person I worry about letting down. He helped shape my entire life because

the guy was there for me during personal stuff and always pushed me to

become better professionally. Those that know him know he will put as

much on you as you can take but now I can think back and all his lessons

make sense. He’ll push you to find your real potential.




Javier Campos




LN: During the Kyle Phillips renovation of 2007 - 2008 you were very young,

what do remember about your role on the staff during that time?

Campos: I remember exactly what my role was, I had never even used a

chainsaw and my first job during the renovation was to start cutting down

small trees and shrubs. Once we got further into the renovation, I learned

how to cut into and detail bunkers after the shapers had carved out the rough

shapes to them. Then I really got the opportunity to sort of manage a crew

when I was put in charge of taking a group of guys and installing the bunker

liner we used at the time. Towards the tail end of the project, we were all

involved with hydroseeding 18 holes; it was one of the coolest parts of the

project. Overall, it was just super fun working long hours with some really

cool guys that were here at that time.



LN: When Thomas was offered and accepted a position with the PGA Tour

3 years ago, you became the Superintendent at age 30, when you sat down

with Club GM Glenn Smickley were you confident that you knew the staff and

property better than anybody else who may have been interviewing for the


Campos: For sure. The problem unfortunately is that sometimes the people

hiring superintendents don’t understand that, therefore, you see a lot of

missed opportunities to hire from within. So I would be lying if I didn’t tell

you that I thought they wouldn’t just go after a “big name” superintendent.

I have relationships with some of our guys that go back 16 years, hard to

replicate that and what they’ll do for me. I think Glenn having been a very

successful superintendent himself, really valued those aspects of my interview.


16th at Cal Club





LN: Smickley's background as a Superintendent (at RTJ in Virginia) must

have helped, seeing that he would have greater knowledge of exactly what

was needed in Thomas' replacement?

Campos: Totally. Glenn knows that part of being successful as a superintendent

is knowing your property and knowing your guys, if he were strictly a food and

beverage guy with little knowledge of golf course maintenance he may have

been oblivious to what continuity can do to a maintenance program. I think

Glenn appreciated the success we have had in managing bentgrass greens in

this area, which I will tell you is poa heaven 12 months a year, and he wanted

someone he thought could continue to build on that success. I just want to

continue proving him right.





LN: Dean Lenertz and I (account for well over 50 years of turf experience

between us) marveled at the playing conditions you and the staff present -

along with everything else about the club we called it the best golf experience

of 2019. I mentioned to Thomas that there were times while we walked the

property hitting several links type of golf shots that I could almost envision

a coastline on the other side of the property. It has that feel about it. The only

other inland site that has given me that feeling is Streamsong. Was it Kyle's

vision for the lean firm and fast conditions ?

Campos: Definitely. I think from a design standpoint Kyle is as much about

strategy as he is about flow. So the decision to go with fine fescue wall

-to-wall only complimented the intent to emulate links conditioning by

allowing running shots to follow strategically shaped contours. Therefore,

it’s no surprise that all of our management practices revolve around

supporting that intent.





LN: Last year your club was setting a trend using Cub Cadet robot mowers

to cut the greens using a sensor system, the GPS was supposed to be

the next technology of these automated greens mowers, Bastis informed

me that you are back to having the staff walk mow the greens. What went

wrong with the technology ?

Campos: Yeah that was definitely a bummer. We were experiencing major

success using the autonomous greens mowers but I have to think there was

just not a big enough market for them to support the business. So I don’t

think anything necessarily went wrong with the technology, as a matter of

fact I thought they were only going to get better based off what I saw from

their last demo with the RGX. Hopefully there is something being developed

currently that will be even better and trust me; we’ll be all over it again.




Worthy Leaders coach their staff, here Campos shows his team a few pointers on bunker detail.






LN: What is your biggest challenge at Cal Club day in and day out?

Campos: I think other guys that manage fescue might agree, but I think

managing traffic wear is a huge one. Fine Fescue is not a traffic tolerant

turf type and as a result, thinning turf is a common issue. When you are

trying to keep the place firm and fast, the fescue is lean, making it that

much more difficult to recover from any damage. All of this makes it that

much more important to properly train staff in order to prevent any

avoidable damage from mowing or routine driving habits.





The present driving range was once part of where the club's old maintenance area once stood.





LN: I know you always have some projects going on, can you share a couple

of things on the horizon that I know you're excited about?

Campos: Cart path removals are an ongoing project. Last year we removed

all but one of our interior cart paths on the back nine, leaving only perimeter

cart paths to serve as maintenance paths. The most exciting project taking

place currently at Cal Club in my opinion is, our long awaited maintenance

facility project. Our staff more than deserves to finally have a place to call

“home” at work. The building will not only have the capacity to store all of

our equipment, it will also serve as a housing unit for either assistants or

interns we decide to bring on board in the future. With how expensive

housing is in the bay area, offering housing is a perfect way to draw good

talent to Cal Club.




LN: Your story is unique in the world of private clubs, what would you tell

the next 20 year old like yourself that has a dream of being in a similar

position to where you are today?

Campos: I am going to have to give you my top three here and not in any

specific order. Look for the right guy/girl to work for not just the clubs name.

It does you no good to work for someone who feels too threatened to teach

you anything that would advance your career.  Another really important one

is, don’t think you are anybody and when you think you’ve become somebody

don’t act like that guy that you think that you are. Basically, be humble, you

don’t go talking down to guys just because you think you have the authority,

it will wear on your crew and on your membership. You need to keep guys

in your corner not out of it. Lastly, I will share something a member told me

once when talking about the stresses of losing a job and things related, he

simply said, “be the best at what you do and you will never have to worry.”

Man, that stuck with me and constantly reminds me that if you ever get

complacent, your losing ground.












Q & A: Steve Ehrbar - Director of Agronomy Jupiter Hills Club PDF Print E-mail


Story and photos by Jason Bruno

What a great setting to call your office, Jupiter Hills has been just that for

Steve Ehrbar the last eleven years (par 3 ninth shown above).


Steve Ehrbar is an Ohio State Buckeye, a Jim Loke disciple and a Pete Dye

protoge who's path has included two separate stints at Old Marsh, Lost Tree

Club (also twice, pre & post Nicklaus redesign), and is presently the Director

of Agronomy and Maintenance at the world-class Jupiter Hills Club in

Tequesta, Florida.



We sat down with Steve Ehrbar in his office at Jupiter Hills earlier this

summer and discussed the famed Hills course (that we have rated #1

in the Sunshine State since we started featuring course designs nearly

a decade ago), the USGA did well to select this unique routing that sits

atop a massive sand ridge that stretches from North Palm Beach all the

way into Hobe Sound. The 2018 Four-Ball Championship in May was the

club's second USGA Championship ('87 U.S Amateur) making Jupiter

Hills the only club in Florida to host two national championships. Ehrbar

and I discussed his journey as a Turf Lifer and the challenges he and his

staff face at one of the finest golf clubs in America.


LinksNation: Your career began in Ohio working for Jim Loke, can you

describe that period?


Ehrbar: Before that I was at a club in

Cleveland, Ohio called Pepper Pike. I

grew up in Cleveland, I was an assistant

there and Jim Loke was the Superintendent

out at Quail Hollow. He was looking for

an assistant so that's when I came in

contact with Jim. I worked two years with

him at Quail Hollow and then I moved down

to South Florida, where I've been ever since.



LN: What year was that?


Ehrbar: 1985, I started building Old Marsh with Pete Dye. After Pete

finished at Old Marsh, I went on with him to Cypress Links in West Jupiter.

We bulldozed that public course and created Dye Preserve (one of the least

known Dye designs that is truly among his best works). Then from there, I

went to Lost Tree Club (where Jack Nicklaus has lived since 1970) and back

to Old Marsh. Then back to Lost Tree for a major renovation over there with

Jack Nicklaus. Been here at Jupiter Hills Club for the last eleven years.


LN: What did the renovation of the course at Lost Tree Club entail?

Ehrbar: It was a 1960 Mark Mahannah design, and the golf course hadn't had

any real renovation work. It was 2002 when I came back, and we did a $6.5

million renovation. We did everything - irrigation, maintenance facility, and

reverse osmosis plant. The only thing that stayed the same was the routing

of the golf holes. The bunkering, green complexes - everything was replaced.

It turned out great and was nice project to work on with Mr.Nicklaus.




1st tee view on the Hills Course

LinksNation: Every successful Agronomy leader such as yourself, has a

tireless well qualified staff that keeps conditions at their absolute finest.

You have two courses here at Jupiter Hills, the Hills & Village courses.

What is the size of your staff?


Ehrbar: Staff of 52 full-time employees. Two separate crews (Hills and

Village), a few more employees on the Hills course because there's a little

more maintenance required on that course.





11th tee at Jupiter Hills

LinksNation: What is a typical daily schedule for your staff here at Jupiter Hills?


Ehrbar: Some of the staff start at 6am to get out early and have the range tees

mowed, but typically 6:30 - 3/3:30 is a typical day for the staff.


LinksNation: Every Super we've met with faces different challenges, and we

pose this question knowing we will likely get a different answer each time. So

with such a unique piece of property here - what are the biggest challenges

here for you and the Agronomy team?

Ehrbar: We're on a natural sand dune, so there are pros and cons with that.

We can handle a 3 or 4" rain storm and not have a puddle on the golf course,

which is good, but as far as retaining any moisture or nutrients, it goes right

through the profile. Nematodes are tough out here because it's such a sandy site.

As I tell everybody, we can always add water to the property, but it's extremely

difficult to take it off. It is a unique piece of property.




The view of the range and practice green from the clubhouse terrace

LinksNation: So true, the property here is on the same sand ridge that's an

extension of what Seminole (a few miles south) sits on as well, correct?

Ehrbar: That is correct.



LN: Your reputation is that of a mentor, can you expound on your approach

with staff.


Ehrbar: I've been very fortunate in that regard Jason, my very first Superin-

tendent took me under his wings, and I always felt like if I ever got into that

position to help someone else out, I'm certainly going to do it. I've been very

fortunate to mentor a lot of guys, so that's my program - I get great guys, turf

students because they know the reputation of Jupiter Hills and myself and lead

them to their next opportunity.




LinksNation: I played the Hills course just weeks before the Championship with

club president Jeffrey Harris, who is a great representative of Jupiter Hills. Has

there been anything preparation wise outside of the normal 365 that went into

getting the courses ready for the USGA Four-Ball Championship?


Ehrbar: A couple of comments regarding that Jason. The biggest compliment

they (USGA) paid us after a couple of site visits was, "you guys don't really

have to do much, what you're providing the membership out here on a daily

basis is what we're looking for in the championship." We did do a $1.5 million

renovation on the village course last summer, re-grassed all of the fairways,

approaches, collars and greens. (Logan Fazio led the renovation)


LN: Turf variety used?


Ehrbar: Celebration (bermuda) on the fairways, Tif-Grand on the approaches

and collars and Tif-Eagle on the greens. It wasn't in direct correlation with the

championship but it needed to be done and we felt like it would be better to

do it before the event than after the event.



10th green view

LN: Were there any outlines from the USGA in terms of what they'd like to see

the scores be, or what they viewed as ideal conditions, such as firm in fast, more

receptive, etc?


Ehrbar: It was their event, so we changed height of cut on the fairways, not

so much on the greens. Our greens are around 13 on the stimp so not a big

change there. They told us what they were looking for in terms of firmness.


LN: Green cut height?


Ehrbar: .090 (the heights normally are at .095, and .105 is the highest that

they are ever mowed at).


LinksNation: What are the differences in the two courses here at Jupiter Hills?


Ehrbar: The greens on the Village course are a bit firmer because they are new

greens, but that probably helps a bit because the course is about 600 yards

shorter than the Hills. The Village is a tighter layout with smaller greens, and

out of bounds comes into play. Obviously on a flatter piece of land, both played

as par 70 for the championship. In most events the Village usually plays

one shot tougher than the Hills.



The 18th on the Hills course.

LN: Are there plans to host more big championships in the future?


Ehrbar: Good question, I hope that they would. We can only house so much,

obviously the Amateur has gotten so big over the course of time. Hoping

maybe something down the road like a U.S Women's Open or something like

that. Obviously state events, I think the club is always open to that. Giving

back to Golf.


LN: Do you get a chance to play much golf these days?


Ehrbar: When I was at 18 hole facilities I did, but being here at a 36 hole

facility, time is tough to come by, but I get out once in awhile. I still think

the best way to see and evaluate things is with a golf club in your hand.


LN: We couldn't agree more, thanks for your time Steve . . .